Tuesday, November 03, 2009

punditry meets reality

As lame as the election is… the political commentary on Nighttalk tonight, which apparently even the campaigns are not watching, is as honest as I have ever seen in some time most anywhere. Some hightlights for only the uber-political junkies:

I have beaten up the campaign of Mark Desantis in the past.. but Mark is on the show there with some real honesty about his campaign in 2007. He said that his campaign back then had some real advantages, the foremost among them that the “media wanted a race”. That was the thing that really perplexed me, the media kept telling people how close that race was and it just was not based on any real or assumed fact. No matter which side you were on, it just never made sense. The implication that has to be considered is… what would his results have been if the media had not repeated the mantra about the close race as often as they did. Is the difference between what he got and the Weinroth returns, when the media pretty much said there was no hope, nothing more than an artifact of the differences in the coverage? Ponder that some.

Matt Hogue called in to the show and pretty much amplified his endorsement of Acklin and dis’d the mayor. Being a family friendly blog my honest comment is unprintable, but for sheer Chutzpah you have to give him credit.

Mark Desantis did decry the state of his party for not having a candidate in the race.. but that prompted no less than Jim Roddey to call in to respond direclty to tell him that there was a Republican candidate and that Acklin had only dropped out at the very last second.  Thus preventing there being any Republican getting on the ballot. Something about Roddey expecting Acklin to be the R on the ballot and that he had been out there telling folks on that just days before Acklin de-registered.

And Jim Roddy ‘predicted’ or otherwise stated that Mark Desantis is going to be running for County Executive in 2011. Mark silence in response all but said “neither confirm nor deny”.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Being a family friendly blog my honest comment is unprintable"

About me?

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:33:00 PM  
Blogger C. Briem said...

relax... I was thinking it was a gutsy call... though my gut reaction was a bit more descriptive.

gutsy or a bit irrational to come out like that only after the election ended.

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Patrick said...

I always thought the timing of Acklin's conversion from Republican to Independent had more to do with his failure to gather enough valid signatures to get on the primary ballot, and not some sudden spring-2009 revelation that the GOP didn't like gays anymore. Roddy's comments cemented that for me tonight.

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"gutsy or a bit irrational to come out like that only after the election ended."

I'm not so sure you can label it as irrational. I called to voice some more displeasure about the Mayor. Things need to change around this town. There needs to be some more dedicated focus to the neighborhoods. Especially the western neighborhoods.

The Mayors campaign is acting like this was some sort of overwhelming win which it clearly wasn't.

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:33:00 AM  
Blogger EdHeath said...

The percentage of voters who didn't vote against the Mayor is likely higher this time because they were discouraged by the notion that their candidate couldn't win because the ABL vote was split between the two. But I suspect it is still lower than the percentage of voters who support the current Mayor but couldn't be bother to miss Wheel ... of ... Fortune.

So the race was closer than expected but still pre-determined.

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I'm also having trouble understanding how you could have issues with Matt H. calling a talk show to comment on the mayor's race.

Also, Roddey's comments are giving me pause about my support for Acklin, although I did have fun at Acklin's party last night at Hough's, in Greenfield, and got a big kiss on the cheek from his lovely Mom.

Regarding the media, not only did they insist there was no race, but KDKA radio was actively campaigning for Ravenstahl, at least when I heard Mike Romigh Sunday night. He was filling in on for Chris Moore. Romigh interviewed the three mayoral candidates, and I think Moore was deliberately pulled for the night because he would have actually asked substantive questions, especially of the incumbent. Romigh practically kissed the Mayor's ass, then bent over backwards trying to undermine Acklin, going on and on after the Acklin interview about how the incumbent was going to win and how it wasn't up to the media to ask the Mayor about the emails that Acklin has exposed regarding Verbanec. Funny too that of the few callers in over an hour of programming, Romigh chose to air a caller from Butler who said she couldn't vote, but if she could, she'd go for Ravenstahl. That was followed by Romigh saying he doesn't live in the city either, but he's supporting R. Shameful.

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:57:00 AM  
Blogger C. Briem said...

I'm not having issues with Hoagie... I thought it took guts to be bashing the mayor after he obviously won.. something clearly not in his own interest at that point. Why he waited until after it mattered for the election is his own business, but curious.

Seriously.. Hoagie does not hide I give him that.. it was all more a comment on all the anonymous comments by others. You now have to go back and read all those anonymous comments on Bram's blog (an a couple here) from folks explaining all the grass roots support Acklin was getting from Democrats or non-traditional voters. What were they thinking? or why were they writing that?

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Twenty percent of the vote for a newcomer with no family name recognition is a good showing and indicative of grass roots support. As you've noted, Luke probably benefited just a little from unwitting straight Republican voters, to Acklin's detriment. And gauging Harris' support, he likely got a fair number of votes from people who voted for just because of his family or just because he's African-American. Let's be honest. If Dok weren't black and Franco's son, he wouldn't have been much of a factor, if even in the race. So again, Acklin's showing was not too shabby, all things considered.

BTW, how exactly are you defining "non-traditional voters"? Also, I'm curious, have you met Acklin yet?

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:37:00 PM  
Blogger C. Briem said...

I do know Kevin... far better than I know Dok FWIW.

I dunno about that. Given that Harris did best in 7th ward and throughout Peduto's district I think those are the folks least likely to be swayed by a Steelers' provenance don't you think?

Personally I think Harris would have done as well or maybe even a bit better if he had changed his name or emphasized the Dokmanovich in the name.

and it certainly isn't Acklin's first time out.. His run for county council was a serious effort that focused on the city as those results showed. First time running for mayor I suppose, but that was true for Weinroth as well.. and Desantis and most everyone with some notable exceptions.

I do hate to parse.. but everyone is repeating 20%. Not sre how 19 morphed into 20 not that it matters.

and isn't this the almost exact same comment posted on Bram's blog. No need to repeat yourself. The handful of folks reading these things read the others I am pretty sure. :-)

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha ha. Kind of like the Trib and PG, I guess.

Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's no doubt that Jim Roddy is mad that Acklin left the Republican party, and Roddy's petulant statements on Election Night speak for themselves. Earth to Roddy ... Acklin didn't even enter the race until early June, after supporting Dowd's candidacy (for better or worse). Truth be told, I hope Kevin becomes a Democrat.

Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:08:00 AM  
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