Sunday, March 25, 2012

A twinkle in the Port Authority's eye

So what is really odd when you see all the complaints about the North Shore Connector over the last decade is just how many of the same folks were all for it back when it was being planned.  Go dig into who was on the Port Authority's board when the important decisions were being made.  But it all started* here.. from the March 13, 1985 PG:


From which would beget the concrete vision of a spine line and eventually its vestige known as the North Shore Connector today. I do like the last line in it.  The route planning anticipated some new development around Three Rivers Stadium. Which still (still??) exists.

* Yes, I know that is far from the real beginning for the North Shore Connector as it would become known. For the start you probably have to go back to 1967, or you could really argue 1923 was the real beginning, but for the concrete start of planning for the NSC as is opening now.. 1985 was the starting point.  



15 Comments:

Anonymous MH said...

The Three Rivers website has a link for getting directions in Mapquest, which is just perfect.

Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Considering the crowding on the 61A,B,C and D in Squirrel Hill, it is a real shame the spine line through Oakland isn't opening today as well

Monday, March 26, 2012 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous MH said...

The 61's have gotten much better recently. The 61D-Greenfield Only has really improved things and the new articulated buses are so much better for that type of crowding. It's still crowded at 5:00, but much better than it used to be. Even as early as 5:20 there are buses with seat going to Squirrel Hill. Coming in, it is much rarer to see crowds stranded at Forbes and Murray. It does still happen, of course, but not like a couple of years ago.

Monday, March 26, 2012 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Caesar said...

Shame that the Port Authority diverged from their original plan to (1) complete the Oakland leg first, and (2) route the north shore leg to service the main employment centers of the North Side.

@MH, would-be passengers are routinely passed up by overcrowded 61 buses, although a contributing factor is the inability of passengers to move towards the back of the bus so as to allow others to board. The two-steps adjacent to the rear door poses a particularly insurmountable hurdle to some riders, particular CMU graduate students.

Monday, March 26, 2012 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous MH said...

I'm not saying passengers aren't routinely passed up by overcrowded 61 buses. I'm saying it happens less than it used to and that the wait for a bus with space is shorter.

Monday, March 26, 2012 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd prefer a scientific assessment by PAT of crowding on the 61s, rather than a subjective, single-rider report.

Beyond the East End spine, the original plan to run the North Side train over the Sixth St. Bridge made much more sense than digging an expensive tunnel to the stadiums.

Monday, March 26, 2012 4:27:00 PM  
Anonymous MH said...

They did do an assessment and they found that the 61s mostly carry traffic from Squirrel Hill to Oakland. Then they added the 61D-Greenfield Only. Grading on the curve established by responsiveness of our local government, that’s a clear A- at least.

I agree that the tunnel was wasteful. But, I don’t understand why so many people seem to think that train running a train through the Hill District, Oakland, and Squirrel Hill wouldn’t manage to be wasteful and controversial to such a much, much greater degree, even if you adjust for the increase in miles. If they had tried to complete the Oakland leg, there's no way it would be done by now.

Monday, March 26, 2012 4:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 61s between Oakland and Squirrel Hill are passing many by and, even with the articulated buses (a nice add) and the revised routings (as noted above, at least an A- effort), the traffic on this portion of the line is becoming over capacity. The number of boardings at many stops causes dwell times that come close to (if not exceed) actual running times along this stretch. Even the new buses (with 3 doors) aren't terribly helpful when all passengers have to board / alight from the front. Either a serious rethinking of the current assets (rapid bus) or a new system (Spine Line) is in order through here. The former may be good in the short term, but the latter should be th enext focus (and should have been the focus instead of NSC). Ridership levels there may actually justify private ROW and multi unit railcars.

Monday, March 26, 2012 9:22:00 PM  
Anonymous MH said...

The front door thing is something that I've complained about often, here, on other websites, directly to PA people, and to various people standing next to me on buses.

I have no idea how many riders you need to justify if private ROW from a transit efficiency standpoint, but politically, it isn't going to happen. Eighty percent of my travel is from Squirrel Hill to Oakland or back the other way and I wouldn't pay for it.

Monday, March 26, 2012 9:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree that it would not fly politically if terminating in Squirrel Hill; but extend it to a Park & Ride terminus at the Busway or at the Wilkinsburg interchange, and you can win some of the people sitting in front of the tunnel into using / supporting it.

Still, even then, the money would likely not be there

Monday, March 26, 2012 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous BrianTH said...

I feel compelled to note the NSC is not the North Side part of the Spine Line--the Spine Line would have actually gone into the North Side to a stop at Federal and North, where people actually live.

Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:36:00 PM  
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Blogger Timmy Zula said...

61's have gotten much enhanced newly.
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